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General David Grange's Air-Mech-Strike Study Group 2 (AMS-SG2) specializes in 2D/3D maneuver warfare concepts Iraqi Lessons Learned Study Group renamed in honor of British Army reformer, Richard Haldane as the HALDANEDODREFORMBOARD2 or "Haldanes" (HALDANE-DRB2) Chuck Myers' Maneuver Air Support Working Group 2 (MAS-WG2) eXtreme Soldiering Combat Light Working Group 2 (eXSCL-WG2) LAV-III Stryker FUBAR Group (LAV3STRYKERFUBAR2) 21st Century Rifle Controversy Group 2 (21CENTURYRIFLECONTROVERSY2)
Ranger Larry's Guns of The Internet (GOTI)
The Great Tank Debate 2 Research Group (THEGREATTANKDEBATE2)
Combat Engineering Study Group (ARMYSAPPERSFORWARD) The Naval Fire Support Battleship Modernization Working Group (NFSBBG-WG)
The Great Doctrine Debate III: 4th Generation Warfare Group (THEGREATDOCTRINEDEBATE3)
dedicated to the work of military futurist Dr. Martin van Crevald
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The 1st TSG (A) assists U.S. civilian/military leaders and Soldiers
with studies, gear designs and professional military education materials
at no charge. We send out each month an inter-active, e-magazine focused
on ground maneuver; Land
Power Transformation 2 (LPT) and on air operations, U.S.
Army/Air Force Aviation Journal (AVJ) to our members at-large
New Articles as of January 29th, 2004
The Non-Linear Fight We are Now In: It takes MANEUVER, Tofflerian/RMA
NeoCons!
Former CIA Director Woolsey and Dr. Kopp expose what ISLAMO-FASCISM really is
LTC Gentry reveals RMA/netcentric mentalism is a dangerous, failed crutch!
Tale of two Colonels: Charles DeGaulle and Douglas MacGregor misunderstood
reformers
Improved Tank/Infantry cooperation for urban combat?
U.S. Army Reserves: Not Ready, but need to be ready for non-linear combat
Retired General David Grange begins Military Veterans Radio/WWW Sunday Night
Show
DoD: screwed up since 1947, how to fix it before its too late
U.S. Army needs Honor Code NOW
New book charts Army success path: Air-Mech-Strike: Asymmetric Maneuver
Warfare for the 21st Century
Study
Group Member conducts first U.S. Army Air-Mech-Strike assault in
Afghanistan
Tofflerian
thinking poisoning U.S. military?
Afghanistan
Primer: solving the "we don't do mountains" light-itis
non-sense
Tanks
are Combat Engineer Vehicles
Soft-skin
Army getting clobbered in Iraq: wheeled HMMWV trucks and inadequate
Soldier protection
Shinseki
gone: Stryker lies starting to come out: roll-over at NTC
Transform
the Army Airborne and Light Divisions' Delta Companies: it maneuvers a
Battalion
Army
censorship defeated: LAVDANGER web site online again revealing Stryker
deathtrap
Former
Speaker of the House Gingrich blows whistle on lav3stryker deathtrap
Wargame
cheating cannot save Army wheeled deathtrap: DoD considers canceling the
lav3stryker
Rubber-tired
LAV armored cars will not survive modern combats
Gavin's
Cavalry: light tracked M113 AAM/PVFs perfect for non-linear, lethal
modern battlefields
Hi-Technology
tracked 2nd ACR beats wheeled IBCTs
Heavy
tanks, helicopter fighter-bombers: U.S. Army in search of doctrine?
Army enlistedman/officer presents M113A3 transformation plan in 1995 ARMOR
magazine
Colonel
MacGregor's Airborne-Air Assault Battle Groups
How blind obedience creates bad decisions like LAV-III/Stryker trucks
Army says "wheels or walk!", ignores lighter tracks
Why doesn't the press expose the LAV-III/IAV scam?
Russian LAV-III equivalent armored car blown up in Chechnya (actual footage)
Tracks vs. Wheels 101: look at the drivetrains!
What if your LAV-III can't turn around on a mountain pass?
Official MTMC-TEA Study proves LAV-IIIs NOT C-130 transportable
Goodbye
armor, hello peacekeepers! Don Loughlin exposes LAV-III scam in Defense
Daily News
High-level
misconduct behind LAV-III scam
Light Mechanized Sapper Company (Airborne)
FM 7-7: Cross-country-capable, amphibious APC: rediscover a lost art
Ocean-going M113A3 Amphigavins: key to speeding Army sealift
Australian
Army upgrades its tracked M113s: East Timor victors by way of C-130
Spin:
Canadians call tracked M113s "TLAVs", can't admit wheeled
"LAVs" stink
Many
New Zealanders reject LAV-III deathtrap armored cars
Italian
Army has better adapted M113A3s
Defense
Daily News: AWSOM 2D/3D maneuver and firepower doctrine
How
tracked tanks can fly by leased cargo 747s (large armored cars can't)
Mechanized
Cavalry history: wheels a failure, no Cavalry Branch, No Cavalry
ALL
Future Combat System proposals wheeled: fantasy "cash cow" to
fleece America
Iraqi
Combat: Small Arms and Individual Equipment Lessons Learned
Army battery charging problems solved: power inverters in HMMWV trucks NOW
Helmet NVG mount protection and rank/name ID: without 100 mph tape
MOLLE
rucksack failure: what do we do for a jump-capable rucksack?
Kosmo
MOUT lifeline: rescue your buddy out of the line of fire
Combat
Light: Soldiers Load Solution do-able right now!
Does Ecotat
have the Soldier's Load problem solved?
Winter
approaches: replace field jacket liners ASAP!
The
Great 21st Century Rifle Controversy: is 5.56mm enough?
U.S.
Army reports Afghan gear problems: 1st TSG (A) told them so, Soldiers
still getting ignored
Ground
launched Hydra 70mm 2.75 inch rockets: Brazil makes the launcher we need
Ranger
Rick Tscherne returns from the Balkans: creates SOS survival dog tag
necklace
Fighting
"war" on terrorism handicapped: where is the tear gas?
No
more hard plastic canteen jump injuries: flexible 1-qt canteens are here
New
Army chinstrap will save lives IF we get it NOW, not in 10 years
"An
Army of One, a Soldier for all"
WWII
Airborne screen saver
1st TSG (A) discovers 108 Paratroopers can jump from a C-17!
Why can't the U.S. military land on water anymore?
Boeing Phantom Works adopts AMS-SG's WIG concept!
V-22:
marine Colonel's lies about flying deathtrap exposed!
Fix
USAF CAS: Air Commandos and 2-seat OA-10B Warthogs
Fix
U.S. Army Close Fight Support: Attack Pathfinder AeroScouts
U.S.
Army adopts 1st TSG (A) "RoboCobra" UCAV concept
The
trouble with aircraft: they ain't--ground mobility needed
Why
air strikes without decisive maneuver failed in Iraq and Kosovo
Got CAS? Charles Myers Maneuver Air Support can fix this
"Killer
Bees": low-cost scout/attack aircraft for the 1st Cavalry Division
No
future for U.S. Navy/marines without jet seaplanes
No
Air Recon: how fighter pilot egos grounded the SR-71
WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON WITH THE STRYKER DEBACLE?
Another 1st TSG (A) member writes in:
"Have you any idea where I can locate more
information on the current status of the Stryker program
as well as any information on how well it is performing in
Iraq today?
This thing is a classic procurement boondoggle and will
probably kill a bunch of kids."
A concerned citizen asks:
"After reading a lot of the stuff on your site,
I just can't understand why the Army uses Humvees so much.
They don't offer much protection at all. I also was
surprised about reports of certain units having to
improvise by adding armor plating on their trucks and
other vehicles. You are right about how this has lead to
quite a few deaths and it does not seem all that hard to
solve. Maybe someday someone will do something about this
because the Soldiers need better protection than
this."
1st TSG (A) REPLY: Here are some web pages we update:
.../strykerhorrors.htm
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BREAKING NEWS! 1st TSG (A) EXCLUSIVE!
Meet the M113A3 SuperGavin in Iraq!
More photos and details:
www.combatreform.com/m113combatreform.com
* RPG pre-det bird cage all around but yet not so wide so Super Gavin can still roll-on/off USAF aircraft for 3D maneuver warfare capabilities, you can't do this in a Stryker truck!
* High Hard Steel belts on sides, front, rear to increase roadside bomb and bullet protection to beyond 14.5mm HMG protection
* Underbelly armor to defeat land mines
* Extra spall liner inside
* TAGS see-thru gunshields to protect and see enemy first to shoot & kill him
* Ability to stow troop gear, sandbags on outside beneath hull and bird cage to increase ballistic protection levels
* Rolls on tracks that are cross-country mobile and do not puncture and burn like Stryker truck tires
We still have a long, long way to go to fully adapt the U.S. Army to the non-linear battlefield..our light units need M113 Gavins starting with Delta Weapons companies and supply & transportation units with XM1108 cargo carrying variants...we still have thousands of M113 Gavins in storage that need to be put into service....but it was at this moment that the tide finally turned against the wheeled madness threatening to destroy the U.S. Army and our Soldiers... American Iraq War Casualties www.geocities.com/militaryincompetence/americaniraqwarcasualties.htm CNN VIDEO REPORT EXPOSES STRYKER TRUCKS AS FAILURES IN COMBAT! www.douglasmacgregor.com/cnnstrykertruckflawed032902005.wmv Even though the Army tries to hid Stryker trucks from combat, an internal Army report details their many flaws which have resulted in calls for millions of dollars of repairs/alterations/fixes...retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor is interviewed... 1st TSG (A) is infuriated and sickened by the Army's negligence for not properly equipping our troops for non-linear combat in Iraq with light tracked AFVs. We have put together a desperation list of things individual Soldiers and units can do to save themselves. We will update this list regularly. www.geocities.com/paratroop2000/surviveiraqgearlist.htm O'Reilly's Latest Masterpiece: Preventable Deaths Victor O'Reilly has in his latest report revealed why the U.S. Army is currently unable to reform itself as its men are killed/maimed in Iraq driving around in vulnerable wheeled vehicles while the tracked vehicles that could save them sit in storage; talk about "transformation" is just a "smoke screen" to perpetuate the failed status quo by changing a few brigades into impotent motorized infantry with computers while the vast majority of the Army gets clobbered on foot and in trucks if they are "light" and burdened with too-heavy tracks if they are "heavy". POGO exposes high-level Army pay-offs behind Stryker wheeled armored car purchases POGO calls for investigation into Stryker revolving door and rush to deploy in Iraq. Renewed debate on the revolving door has brought attention to the hiring of a top Army general by General Dynamics only 11 months before the defense contractor was awarded a $4 billion contract to build the Stryker armored vehicle. The first Stryker brigade was recently deployed in Iraq's Sunni Triangle despite warnings by the Pentagon's top tester that the wheeled vehicle is vulnerable to rocket propelled grenades (RPGs). Stan Crist's Airborne M113 Gavins in Special Weapons for Military and Police #33 and #26 On news stands now! Stan Crist has 4 articles in the two issues: Taming the Tank Killer: defeating RPGs Iraqi Lessons Learned, page 28 Airborne Armor: Paratroopers become super-mobile mechanized infantry with enhanced M113A3s, page 48 The XM8-a first look: a new combat rifle for the U.S. Military, page 28 SCAR-Special Weapon for Special Forces?: its the Robinson Armament M96 in 6.8mm special purpose cartridge, page 60 Sign the Petition to Honor General James M. Gavin: name the M113 Join General Gavin's wife, Jean and others by signing a petition to name the world's greatest armored fighting vehicle (AFV) of all time, ever after its creator Please listen to neocon idiots Richard Perle's and David Frums interview on NPR. They had some very interesting things to say about the military. It was like a bad Tofflerian nightmare. It was too bad the interviewer (Terry Gross) didn't know more about the military, she really could have got some more interesting "insights". She did attack Perle for his "revolving door" influence peddling; one scam earned him over $700, 000 trying to help a communist Hong Kong software company. http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml?display=day&todayDate=01/08/2004-1 We are in deep trouble with these two clowns steering Bush administration foreign policy. Who elected them? Who says they are "military experts"? They want to be world conquerors without being the "bad guy" storm troopers via labor-saving American gadget firepower. They want their cake without having to bake it. The Neocons led by never-served-in-the-military, chickenhawk-wonks Richard Perle/Frums see Tofflerian RMA-we-can-steer-munitions-with-computers as a panacea to execute their pre-emptive war foreign policy on the cheap. They are so clueless they spin the debacle in Iraq as vindication for SecDef Rumsfeld's invade-Iraq-on-a-shoestring, with troops-in-trucks operation which nearly failed had it not been for the Army's 3rd ID in tracked AFVs able to overcome enemy physical resistance reaching Baghdad; cleverly they not mention that since the fall of the Iraqi government their computer-steered firepower hasn't been doing "squat" to keep the peace in Iraq which requires boots on the ground to find the Saddams and keep Iraqi guerrillas from blowing up oil pipelines. The Neocon/Tofflerian RMA hubrists are so out-of-touch with physical reality with their we-don't-need-troops mentality they simply ignore the fact that we are losing men each day in Iraq trying to hold together what their firepower destroyed. Perle/Frums have no idea that military power and force is more than blowing things up. Its about CONTROL, about holding ground and making it livable, changing peoples and governments, MANEUVER not just firepower. www-cgsc.army.mil/milrev/download/english/NovDec03/barclay.pdf IRTF 1-63rd Armor, 3rd BDE, 1st Infantry Division attached to 173rd Airborne Brigade
MRC
HRC 2d Platoon Bravo Company 2/2 IN M2A2 Bradley Medium AFVs FSB and C4I elements
On 07 April 2003 the IRTF flew from Ramstein AFB, Germany to Bashur
Airfield in Northern Iraq by 30 x C-17 Globemaster III sorties as the
follow-on echelon to the 173rd
Airborne Brigade which had jumped in earlier. Fanning out, the Sky
Soldiers and IRTF Soldiers collapsed Iraqi resistance in the north by
April 10th. 1st TSG (A)'s Carol Murphy in the Washington Post! www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/ A23732-2004Jan16.html Copter Camouflage Sunday, January 18, 2004; Page B06 After reading the Jan. 11 news story "Insurgents Downed Copter in Iraq, Army Says," I think The Post should ask the Army why its helicopters haven't been painted light tan or gray as the Marines, Navy and Air Force have all done to make their aircraft blend in with the blue-gray sky and desert tan of Iraq -- and harder to spot and shoot down. CAROL MURPHY New York The writer is editor of the U.S. Army Aviation [Journal] NG Iraqi Deployment Horror story unfolding as we speak....Shame on you, National Guard going along with active Army HMMWV truck non-sense The National Guard's leadership in Washington D.C. and in the 30th and 81st Brigades is so lacking in professional military knowledge--even self-preservation survival instinct---that they are going to Iraq as "temporary help" underlings of the active army without demanding they take with them their 235+ M113 Gavin light tracked armored fighting vehicles which are perfectly suited to urban stability operations threatened by car/road bombs, grenades, RPGs and AK47 attacks. I say "+" because I'm not counting the M113s their Combat Engineers use. If you count just the M113 Gavins their Infantry and Armor Battalions use/have they have over 235 light tracked AFVs which can each move 11 Soldiers at a time, or 2,585 people under full armor protection at a single time.
81st ARMOR BDE = 94 x M113 Gavin-type light tracked AFVs TOTAL 235 x M113 Gavin-type light tracked AFVs www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/ policy/army/toe/mech.htm 81st Armored BDE = has 94 x M113 Gavin type light tracked AFVs 30th Infantry BDE = has 141 x M113 Gavin type light tracked AFVs www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/30in-bde.htm The 30th eHSB, headquartered in Clinton, is the largest brigade in the North Carolina Army National Guard. The brigade has three maneuver battalions, two infantry and one armor. However, there appears to be an extra tank battalion from the West Virginia National Guard that is a part of the 30th IB BDE, making it have 2 battalions of infantry and two battalions of armor. THE ARMY & MARINE WHEELED TRUCK MADNESS CONTINUES IN IRAQ: LAV-3/Stryker "Bird cage" didn't work, did it?
www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4678909 In another attack, insurgents fired two rocket-propelled grenades at a U.S. Stryker military vehicle on patrol in a western district, setting it on fire, witnesses said. More blasts shook the Stryker, as its fuel tanks and ammunition exploded, but a U.S. military spokesman said there were no casualties. Lieutenant-Colonel Joseph Piek of Task Force Olympia said the commander and driver of the vehicle had jumped out. Other Soldiers in the unit were patrolling on foot. http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/WireFeed/WireFeed& c=WireFeed&cid=1079420081603
Iraqi guerrillas fire at U.S. military vehicle MOSUL, Iraq (Reuters) - Insurgents have fired two rocket-propelled grenades at a U.S. military vehicle in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, setting it on fire, witnesses have said. More blasts shook the wheeled Stryker armoured vehicle, apparently as its ammunition exploded. There was no immediate word on casualties in the attack in the west of the city. A passer-by, Mahmoud Ibrahim, 40, said he had seen three attackers in a car fire an RPG at the Stryker as it went down a side street in a western district of Mosul on Sunday. Another RPG was fired at the U.S. vehicle moments later. "I saw the Stryker burning," he said. "I saw nobody getting out of the vehicle." U.S. troops in other Strykers sealed off the area. Air-Mech-Strike for Stability Operations: CNN and General David Grange blow-the-whistle on the HMMWV and Stryker truck fiasco in Iraq that is killing/maiming our troops See General Grange on CNN's Lou Dobbs MONEYLINE daily and every Thursday night or hear him on the radio: Call in, ask him questions about Air-Mech-Strike or any other military topic! ROUND 1 www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0404/26/ldt.00.html DOBBS: The U.S. Army is sending hundreds of armored Humvees to Iraq to protect troops from attacks by insurgents. But tonight, there are new fears that the armor on those reinforced Humvees is still inadequate to provide protection for our Soldiers. Senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre has the report. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN MILITARY AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With U.S. troops still dying in deadly roadside attacks, the Pentagon is spending $400 million racing to replace the Army's basic thin- skinned Humvees with reinforced up-armored versions. But the better armor is still not providing adequate protection, writes a four-star general in a memo obtained by CNN. "Commanders in the field are reporting to me that the up-armored Humvee is not providing the solution the Army hoped to achieve," writes General Larry Ellis, commanding general of the U.S. Army Forces Command, in a March 30 memo to the Army chief of staff. Critics say, even with better armor, the Humvee's shoulder-level doors make it too easy to lob a grenade inside. Its four rubber tires burn too readily. At two tons, it is light enough to be overturned by a mob. General Ellis wants to shift Army funds to build twice as many of the Army's newest combat vehicle, the Stryker, which has eight wheels, weighs 19 tons and when equipped with a special cage can withstand an RPG attack. "It is imperative that the Army accelerate the production of Stryker vehicles to support current operations," Ellis says. But critics say the Army is overlooking an even cheaper, faster solution than the $3.3 million Stryker, the thousands of Vietnam-era M-113 Gavin personnel carriers the Army has in storage which can be upgraded with new armor for less than $100,000 apiece. Neither the Stryker nor the Gavin offer 100 percent protection. Some U.S. troops have been killed in the top-of-the-line M1-A1 Abrams tank. But the more armor, the better chance of survival. (END VIDEOTAPE) MCINTYRE: In his memo, General Ellis pleads for quick action, lamenting that, while the U.S. is at war, some in the Army seem to be in a peacetime posture. He writes: "If our actions impede the ability to train, equip or organize our Soldiers for combat, then we fail the soldier and the nation" -- Lou. DOBBS: And General Ellis' remarks and note come a year after that war began in Iraq. What is -- what is taking so long for the command structure of the U.S. Army, the U.S. military, to provide the equipment that our men and women need in Iraq? MCINTYRE: Well, I think the short answer is that they misestimated the threat that they would be facing at this point. They have been trying to adapt as time went on. They have been rushing the armored Humvees into theater, but now they are realizing they don't provide enough protection either. What General Ellis wants to do is quick action to get the authority to shift some funds around and ramp up production of the Strykers, so you can get more of those into the combat theater. But, as I said, some of the critics say they should look to some of the vehicles they already have in storage. They think they can get them there even faster. I think General Ellis is reflecting some of the frustration that the Army feels it can't act fast enough to get enough protection to its troops. DOBBS: General Ellis, a four-star general. Who put him in charge of looking into this? What is, if you will, his portfolio? MCINTYRE: Well, he is commanding general of the U.S. Army Forces Command. So his main job is training and equipping. And, of course, he's writing this memo to the Army chief of staff, who is the main person in charge of training and equipping the Army, General Schoomaker. So the right people are focused on the problem. The question is how soon will they have the solution? DOBBS: Well, for the sake of our men and women in uniform in Iraq, let's hope very quickly. Jamie, thank you very much -- Jamie McIntyre, our senior Pentagon correspondent. The military believes about 2,000 insurgents and foreign fighters are now holed up in Fallujah. The marines are hoping those insurgents will surrender their heavy weapons. But the troops are preparing to assault the city if the insurgents do not disarm. I'm joined now by our CNN military analyst, General David Grange. General, good to have you with us. RETIRED BRIG. GEN. DAVID GRANGE, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Thank you, Lou. DOBBS: I have to ask you, first, what is your reaction to Jamie McIntyre's report and the statement by General Ellis that, point blank, our command structure seems in some respects to be in a peacetime posture, while our men and women in uniform are in war in Iraq? GRANGE: Well, Lou, I know the leadership of the Army and I don't think they are in a peacetime mind-set. However, I do agree totally that armored vehicles need to be sent to Iraq immediately to solve some of these problems with the Humvees. First of all, the -- any armored vehicle can take a certain kind of hit and be destroyed or incapacitated. However, Humvees are not the answer. It's too light-skinned, even the up-armored, for some of these actions, whether it be resupply or combat missions that the troops have. The interim solution is to take the inventory that was just shown on the broadcast of the old '113s, armor those, and use those immediately in Iraq to protect the troops. DOBBS: General Grange, you are talking about what was popularly known as the APC, the armored personnel carrier, thousands of them, Jamie McIntyre reported, in storage and ready to be rearmored if necessary. Under current armor, could the APC still be serviceable, that is protect our troops in Iraq? GRANGE: There's no 100 percent protection, but it would provide much more protection than a Humvee and they are readily available and can be up-armored quickly. The Stryker is going to take too long to produce that many. So I'd get something out there now during this very intense period in Iraq. DOBBS: General, the question has to be asked, this is the 21st century. The U.S. military is supposed to be the most advanced and focused and technologically advantaged force in the world. Yet what appears to be at least at first blush when we have men and women without sufficient armored vests, when they don't have armored vehicles, even the old APC, it does raise a question, what in the world has gone on with our command structure? Because we've got men and women dying there. GRANGE: Well, that's true. And it's -- when you are a commander on the ground, it's very frustrating when you don't get the things that you think, at least you think that you need. We relearn lessons from every war. (CROSSTALK) DOBBS: General, excuse me. Let me be clear in my question, if I was not. I'm not worried about the commander at the company level or the battalion level. I'm talking about the command structure of the United States military, the Pentagon. GRANGE: Yes, the upgraded vehicles need to be sent to Iraq immediately. They should have already been there. The Humvee is not the answer. I think there was the -- the assessment that the transition after the maneuver warfare to the stability and support operations were not be as violent as it's become was off-base a little bit. But it can be fixed now. Let's do something now and at least provide the needed protection and maneuverability that can be afforded now with the assets that we have. It's still not too late to do something. DOBBS: Twenty-two -- 2,500 Soldiers, rather, now around Najaf, the U.S. marines surrounding Fallujah. Negotiations continue, which are being honored in the breech here. What is your -- your assessment as to the risk and the necessity of entering in particular Fallujah? GRANGE: Fallujah, I have a problem with the cease-fire. There are some people that generally want it in Fallujah, some of the civilian leaders. But the hard-core insurgents are going to continue when they want to attack coalition forces, unless they are disarmed. The city has to be continue to be isolated. You have to separate as many of the civilians from the insurgents as possible. You have to control key terrain and the services provided to the city itself. And you have to take down enemy strongholds as you find them. It's the only way to ensure lasting peace in this particular city. I believe there's a lot of them, insurgents, in there and that's one reason they want to negotiate. DOBBS: Do you think we should not be negotiating? Mark Kimmitt, General Mark Kimmitt, said capture or kill Muqtada al-Sadr. And the response so far has been, negotiate. GRANGE: Well, in Fallujah, that out to be taken care of right now. I think there's some time for Sadr. Even though he's maintaining weapons, he's building up his supplies for a fight, I think that that can be worked out, I really do, with some senior Shiite clerics. But, in Fallujah, that's the immediate problem. That has to be taken care of. I think it's OK to have a cease-fire to give it a chance. The coalition should give it a chance. But I would not test it too much with those marines. In other words, if it looks like it's not working, then be on with it and get on with it and take care of the insurgents in that town once and for all. DOBBS: General David Grange on point, thank you. ROUND 2 www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0404/27/ldt.00.html The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, today defended the Pentagon's decision not to send more Stryker and M-113 armored personnel carriers to Iraq. The general's comments followed Jamie's McIntyre's report yesterday citing a memo from a four-star general saying the Army's reinforced Humvees don't provide enough protection for our Soldiers. CNN military analyst General David Grange joins me now. But first, let's hear exactly what General Myers said today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEN. RICHARD MYERS, JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN: I think if you look at -- we'll have to get the figures on APCs. But all these systems -- none of these systems provide 100 percent protection. That's the fact. (END VIDEO CLIP) DOBBS: General Grange, you believe the Pentagon can do better than that. How so? RETIRED BRIG. GEN. DAVID GRANGE, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I believe that. I think the Pentagon can do better. General Myers is correct that there's not a fighting vehicle out there that provides 100 percent protection. But I think what the troops need is better protection than what they have out there right now. And there's stuff in the inventory, like the APC, the armed personnel carrier, the '113, that can provide that almost immediately to give some additional protection, medical personnel, engineers, civil affairs, logistics people, those moving around in the battlefield, it can be solved, I think, quite quickly. DOBBS: Those '113s, the APC, do they have to be shipped from the United States, or are they forward deployed in other places? GRANGE: Well, you have both. There's already '113s in country. They're in Kuwait and other places. But there's a lot in the military inventory. In fact, they're part of the organization, the armored organizations right now, sometimes used as command-and-control vehicles, engineer vehicles, medical vehicles, command-and-control of artillery fires, different things like that. So they're out there. It is just a matter of getting them in there just to provide additional protection for the troops in certain tough situations. DOBBS: Give us your best assessment. U.S. marines surround Fallujah. It appears that the prospects of entering Fallujah rise each day. Do our marines have the armor that they need to go into Fallujah again in your best assessment? GRANGE: Well, as you know, the marines went over there with not all their equipment like many of the forces did because of the expectations of a little bit different type of environment. And it has become much more volatile. I think that the marines will have to be enhanced with armor probably from the Army units that are there. There's armor in country to do that. If they attack throughout Fallujah, I don't think they will attack the entire city. But you want to a mixed infantry, foot Soldiers with armored units, armored elements in order to get the effect you need. Sometimes, if there's an enemy sniper in the window, the best use of force, surgical use of force is a 120-millimeter tank round right through that window. DOBBS: The 1st Armored Division, as you know, is there. They are amongst the troops who have been extended. That's heavy armor, that unit. How is that going to enter into the planning for further rotations in Iraq? GRANGE: Well, one reason the 1st Armored stayed there was one, they're veterans of the battle. They've been there a year. They know what's going on. And they are a heavy unit. They have not only foot Soldiers, but they have armored vehicles to fight. So they were really a good choice for the situation. I think subsequent rotations that the Department of Defense will ensure there's enough heavy armor mixed with the light forces, the special operating forces to do nation-building or whatever comes about, because you never know what the results will be. DOBBS: General David Grange, thank you. GRANGE: My pleasure. MORE BREAKING M113 GAVIN NEWS!! http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/28/wirq128.xml
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WHAT'S NEW? January 30, 2005 U.S. Army finally
begins to adapt to the non-linear, 4GW battlefield: more M113 Gavins to
save the day in Iraq...1,775 already in Iraq
EXCLUSIVE! SEE MINI-MOVIE ON THE
MESS IN IRAQ AND HOW TRACKED ARMORED FIGHTING VEHICLES CAN SAVE THE DAY:
"We Must Be Invincible"
www.combatreform.com/INVINCIBLEforinternetcaptioned.wmv
These M113 Gavins actually are
for the 3rd
Infantry Division's second tour of duty to Iraq. There are already
over 1,700 M113 Gavins in Iraq that have been in continuous combat for
over two years first with 3rd ID's "Thunder
Run" that took Baghdad (USMC was 6 days late and Saddam &
accomplices escaped to start guerrilla war against us), all the way to
the present occupation of Iraq. Even in their "vanilla"
neglected-by-the-Army state without the outer armor and gunshields they
are supposed to have, less people have died in thousands of M113 Gavins
than have died
in just 300 Stryker trucks over a shorter period of months. We still
have a long, long way to go to fully adapt the U.S. Army to the non-linear
battlefield....our Airborne/Air Assault/Light Infantry units need
M113 Gavins starting with Delta Weapons companies and supply &
transportation units...we still have thousands of M113 Gavins in storage
that need to be put into service....but the tide has turned finally
against the emasculated wheeled Army mentality...if we can change
our culture and develop an egalitarian, adult warfighting strategy to
win 4GWs...our many men who died in Iraq will not have died in vain.
An excellent way to do this would
be to "start over" with a Non-Linear
Maneuver Brigade (NLMB) that does all of the non-sexy but necessary
things nobody in DoD wants to do: use fixed-wing observation/attack
aircraft, amphibious and aircraft delivered tracked AFVs for 2D and 3D
maneuver...live in ISO
Container "BattleBoxes" not former dictator palaces which
inflame the locals and starts guerrilla wars....call it "SeaBasing
21" or adult common sense; we need massive doses of this if we are
to stave off defeat in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East...
Army to upgrade armor on older
personnel carriers
By JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - The Army, beset with
complaints that its troops are going into combat in inadequately armored
Humvees, will send an older and less used class of armored personnel
carriers to Iraq after spending $84 million to add armor to them.
These vehicles, both veteran
warhorses, are the M113/A3
armored personnel carrier and the M577 command post carrier. Both will
be tougher and safer than newly armored Humvees.
Army officials who pushed hard
over the last two years for getting the M113 into duty in Iraq said it
was more
useful, cheaper and easier to transport than the Army's new wheeled
Stryker armored vehicle, which also is in use in Iraq.
The Army and Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld found themselves at the center of a firestorm last
month over the pace of adding armor to the Humvee, a small transport
vehicle that's been pressed into service in Iraq as a combat vehicle.
Critics have charged that even
with armor the Humvee is too easily destroyed by rocket-propelled
grenades and improvised explosive devices.
An Army representative, who
didn't want to be identified, said Monday that $84 million was being
spent to add armor to 734 M113/A3s and M577s.
For the M113s, that includes
hardened steel side armor, a "slat armor" cage that bolts to
the side armor and protects against RPGs, anti-mine armor on the bottom
and a new transparent, bulletproof gun shield on the top that vastly
improves gunners' vision.
The M577, nicknamed the
"high-top shoe" for its tall, ungainly silhouette, will get
only slat armor and anti-mine armor. Its high sides can't take the steel
armor without making the vehicle unstable and even more liable to roll
over.
The slat-type armor essentially
is a metal cage designed to detonate RPGs before they breach the steel
armor and the light aluminum wall. Similar slat armor has been added to
the Stryker vehicle.
The armor kits will be produced
in the United States, the Army representative said, and installed in
Kuwait.
The representative said the M113
upgrade was requested by Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, the ground commander in
Iraq, and approved by Gen. George Casey, the commander of multinational
forces in Iraq.
The M113 typically carries a
driver, a commander and 11 infantry Soldiers. It can be fitted with a
.50-caliber machine gun or a MK19 40 mm grenade launcher. The M113/A3
version, introduced in 1987, has a bigger turbo-charged diesel engine,
an improved transmission, steering and braking package, and inside
liners to suppress spall, the superheated molten metal produced by RPG
and tank-round hits. It has a range of 300 miles and a road speed of
more than 40 mph. It also can swim.
More than 80,000 M113s in 28
configurations have been manufactured since they were introduced in
1960, and they still do yeoman duty in many of the world's armies.
At around 13 tons, the M113
is much easier to transport than the behemoth M1A2 Abrams tank, the
Bradley Fighting Vehicle or even the wheeled Stryker.
The Army has spent hundreds of
millions of dollars buying armored Humvees at $150,000 each and buying
and making special tempered-steel and bulletproof-glass kits to add
armor protection to the thin-skinned variety. The demand for armor on
the Humvees grew as insurgents began pouring RPGs onto American patrols
and convoys, and detonating deadly homemade bombs in the late summer of
2003.
The current demand in Iraq is for
more than 22,000 armor-protected Humvees, a goal the Army says it will
meet sometime between now and March. Its prime focus has turned now to
armoring the five models of trucks that travel Iraq's dangerous roads to
supply American forces.
Rumsfeld recently told a
Tennessee National Guard Soldier, who asked why his outfit had to
scavenge dumps in Kuwait for scraps of armor for their Humvees, that
"you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might like
to have."
One serving officer, who asked
not to be identified, said Rumsfeld
"didn't even let us go to war with the Army we had; he made us
leave half our armored vehicles at home in pursuit of lighter, faster
and cheaper."
PAST PROGNOSIS: June 17th, 2004
The U.S. Army is
self-destructing.
On February 25, Headquarters
Department of the Army (HQDA) presented to the House Armed Services
Commitee (HASC) their plan
to expand to 43-48 Brigades by handing Soldiers a rifle and made to
walk or ride around in a cheapo truck. The "Hollow Army" of
the 1970s has returned even though thousands of M113 Gavin light tracked
AFVs sit in storage that could upgraded with RPG-resistant armor,
gunshields, C4ISR to be non-linear battlefield transport means for every
rifle squad. Previously, the Army on January 28, 2004 presented President
Bush an expansion plan to gut the Army of its tracked combat
engineers and heavy tank battalions for more vulnerable light troops on
foot and in wheeled rubber-tired trucks or armored
cars-with-a-computers; a techno-madness concocted by Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD) egomaniacs who want to steer weak,
All Volunteer Force (AVF) co-dependants around a map graphic linear
battlefield fantasy that doesn't exist. Its the dismal WWII Italian Army
with computers. Troops-in-trucks is a miserable 500+ dead and over 2,000
wounded failure in the physical world we live in where nation-states are
collapsing via 4th
Generation Warfare attacks by RPGs, car/roadside bombs, land mines
and an "AK47" in every third world household. So while our
men are getting killed and maimed in wheeled vehicles that can never
adequately protect them, the Army tries to bribe them with $10,000
re-enlistment bonuses to stay in Iraq for one more year. If you are
DEAD you can't spend it. However, if these monies were instead
pooled together, say the money that would have been given to 8 Soldiers
($80,000) a M113A3
Gavin light tracked Armored Fighting Vehicle (AFV) sitting in
storage could be supplied with RPG-resistant armor, underbelly
countermine armor and gunshields to enable these same 8 Soldiers to
fight alert, and heads-out to prevail in 360 non-linear combat, so they
can return home ALIVE and intact. Yet the Army lusts for two $250,000
so-called "up-armored HMMWV trucks" for every squad; $500,000
that can't fully protect our men, can't go cross-country, can't swim and
requires 4 out of 9 men to stay with the vehicles and not fight on foot.
For $400,000 just one M113A4 Gavin could carry the entire rifle squad,
require only two men stay with the vehicle, one manning a heavy machine
gun or autocannon in overwatch, providing full
amphibious, cross-country, stealthy hybrid-electric drive
RPG-roadside bomb protected mobility: superior capabilities no Army on
eath has today. While others fantasize about "FCS"
capabilities 10 years from now, for just $400,000 per Gavin we could
have them today in every Army rifle squad.
Tragically, current Army leaders
sick with NPD illness refuse to do what's right to adapt properly to the
Non-Linear Battlefield (NLB) of our 4GW world to accomplish the mission
and save their men; they have bought into the discredited sociologists
Alvin and Heidi Toffler's mythical,
feel-good "Third Wave" world-view that anything that is physical
is no longer important; all that matters is that we slap a computer in
to do mental gymnastics to create a virtual, WWII-style linear
battlefield that does not exist, where everybody stays in their inferior
social position in the Army to feed NPD ego; relying on higher
headquarters to micromanage them and "save them" as they beg
for outside fire support--an expensive guided bomb dropped by a sexy
USAF aircraft---when overwhelmed by enemy AK47s, RPGs and IEDs. A
homogenized, one-size-fits-all, "medium" or "light"
weight truck/foot-slogging Army; a bureaucrat's wish
to-pinch-pennies-wheels too light to fight and too heavy to fly,
restricted to easily ambushed roads/trails. The Army's narcissistic
Generals can then brag that they have been such "visionaries"
bringing in a mythical "new age" of network-centric,
information-driven warfare; a "Revolution
in Military Affairs" (RMA) where local units are physically
weak and unable to take initiative like the science fiction movie,
"Demolition Man"
warned us about using satire. Providing ALL Army units with 22,000 pound
light tracked M113A3 Gavin AFVs instead of impotent rubber-tired 22,000
pound FMTV-type trucks would provide local units physical, armored/air/
amphibious/cross-country mobility, firepower and supply superiority to
take the fight to the enemy anywhere in the world using small-unit
initiative, imagination and daring. The IDF
has up-armored M113 light tracked AFVs and doesn't lose a man a day
like we are in Iraq....
We certainly can't have that!
This is why its time the American
people and the Soldiers of the Army itself work through the Congress to take
back control of DoD and the Army which belongs to them---NOT the
senior officers who are on ego trips and waiting for high-paid
jobs after retirement (re: Generals Heebner and Keane) from corrupt
contractors building crap equipment for our troops like General Dynamics
Land Systems and their borrowed Canadian "Stryker" armored
car/deathtrap design. If we don't get our military on track, the DoD
mandarins will continue to "transform" ourselves like the
French did before WWII--according to our fantasies instead of realities
that will continue to result in real disasters for America and our men.
If you REALLY care about our
troops dying and being maimed in combat, contact your
Congressman/Senator:
If you are a Soldier/marine
headed to Iraq, read our Survive
Iraq Gear List which we will constantly update as new information
comes in.
Politics of the New
"Hollow" Wheeled U.S. Army in Action: armored HMMWVs and
Strykers fail
FULL
REPORT ON HOW ARMY IS SACRIFICING ITS MEN IN IRAQ INSIDE INADEQUATE
WHEELED TRUCKS
NEW! Army troops-in-trucks in
Iraq is medically unsafe and unsound"
The Bush DoD is Tofflerian: they
think all you need to win wars is steer FIREPOWER by mouse clicks and
"mop up" with troops-in-trucks. This has failed on the
non-linear battlefield in Iraq where the enemy can attack in any
direction at any time; 1, 331 dead, 10,000 wounded Americans so maimed
for life. Rather than admit their view of warfare is wrong, the
Tofflerians want a 2-year expensive program to slap armor onto wheeled
trucks which also doesn't work and will make the entire Army road-bound
if we have to fight in the mud/rice paddies of the far east. If you are
blown to bits there are no medical techniques and technology that can
save you as the report above details. The answer to save our troops in
Iraq and future battles is to value ground MANEUVER and send over the
thousands of M113 Gavin light tracked armored fighting vehicles now
sitting in storage so our men don't get wounded in the first place; the
National Guards now in Iraq left 235 of these thick-skinned, go-anywhere
vehicles. Upgrade these sound platforms for future warfare not waste
money and time on trucks. A tracked AFV is 28% more space/weight
efficient than a wheeled truck; we cannot afford to throw out 1/4 of our
armor protection by rolling on air-filled rubber tires, and the troops
cannot wait 2 years for a HMMWV armor cover-up.
The Death Wagons of Iraq By Colonel David H. Hackworth 06-14-2004 Hack's Target: The Death Wagons of Iraq By David H. Hackworth In Iraq, a Humvee - the modern military's jeep - is involved in an enemy action or a serious fender bender or rollover almost daily. Lt. Gen. Thomas F. Metz's command has experienced 13 Humvee rollovers, resulting in 17 of his Soldiers dying. "Nine of the deaths occurred in the last 90 days," he says. Gen. Metz says that most rollovers occur when "the driver has lost control of the vehicle." In a letter to his unit, he summed up other causes, such as "aggressive driving, lack of situational awareness, rough terrain, poor/limited visibility, adverse traffic conditions, improvised configurations and failure to wear seat belts." Amen on the aggressive driving. If bad guys are firing rockets and automatic weapons and blowing off mines left, right and center, no one in his or her right mind would drive on the most dangerous roads in the world the way we oh-so-carefully drive by a parked police car on the freeway. As longtime guerrilla-war veteran Lt. Col. Ben Willis (retired) puts it, "The MO would be to put the pedal to the metal." The problem is that the soft-skinned Humvee was conceived as a light utility truck - not a close combat vehicle. "The Humvee is horribly thin-skinned and underpowered," says Army veteran Scott Schreiber, who drove one for six years. "It should be used in roles that don't call for armor. If the role calls for armor, it's simple: use armor." At the end of World War II, I was in a recon company in Italy. We started with armored cars - M-8s - but as Terrible Tito's terrorists started using roadside mines and staging ambushes similar to the mean stuff going down in Iraq, our leaders quickly got rid of those thin-skinned suckers and put us in light tanks - M-24s. Within a year, as the guerrilla war with Yugoslavia heated up, we were given Sherman tanks - M-4s - with their even-thicker armor protection. And when a blown mine or ambush slapped shrapnel or slugs against the sides of our 36-ton tanks, we sat safely inside those steel walls, with our weapons turned full-bore on the enemy. Our armor protection gave us the critical edge our troopers should have today. But here we are in Iraq after 15 bloody months still welding steel plate onto Humvees. Sure, our Soldiers gain a tad more protection, but it also turns the vehicles into rollover queens because it shifts their center of gravity. Meanwhile, we have the Pentagon spending billions of dollars on irrelevant gold-plated fighter aircraft and on the lightly armored Stryker - a vehicle that is not battle-tried and that the Army has placed in relatively safe northern Iraq. Not to mention the thousands of potentially lifesaving armored personnel carriers - M-113s - left over from the Cold War gathering dust in depots. What's further wrong with this picture is that Iraq has excellent steelworkers and first-class machine shops that could be put to good use upgrading captured Iraqi equipment into armored vehicles capable of protecting our warriors while also securing our long, exposed supply lines. Our modern generals might give a lot of lip service to protecting the force, but any way you cut it, what's going on in Iraq is criminal. Clearly there's a disconnect. The brass need to spend less time in their luxurious lakefront palaces and get down on the ground with the troops. Maybe then they'll develop a greater sense of urgency about what's really needed on those killer roads the same way the 88th Division commanding general, Maj. Gen. Bryant E. Moore, did with us back in Italy and then again in Korea - where he was eventually killed as a corps commander leading from the front. And maybe our lawmakers should stop by Walter Reed hospital and get some firsthand skinny from the terribly wounded being treated there about what a death wagon the Humvee has become from the way it's presently being used. "How many Soldiers and marines need to be maimed or killed by roadside bombs before Congress will get off their tails?" Mary Martino rightfully asks. "My son is serving his country with honor and pride in Iraq ... and has the right to expect that his country will do whatever it takes to protect him in his duties." USMC admits V-22 can't lift a quasi-armored a HMMWV truck (cancel both) www.spacedaily.com/upi/20040608-17423100.html PAMELA HESS, Pentagon correspondent for UPI interviewed marine General Magnus on June 8, 2004: About $500 Million of that has come from the marine's annual budget. The Corps has forsworn new Humvees to pay for extra armor for the vehicles it already owns. The marine corps has had to install up to 1,800 pounds of armor plating on Humvees and other vehicles to protect marines against roadside bombs and rocket-propelled grenade attacks. The armor has been permanently welded onto about 3,000 vehicles so far with another 1,000 to go. The problem is what will happen to these vehicles after the war. "That has pretty interesting implications. A Humvee has 1,800 lbs. of armor on it, now it can't even be lifted by the V-22 at the distances you want. And what does 800 to 1,800 pounds of armor do for you in Africa? Gets a very well-armored vehicle stuck in the mud," Magnus said. The extra weight poses near-term problems as well. The vehicles were designed to carry a certain payload; the extra weight stresses the frame and reduces the amount of equipment they can haul, forcing three vehicles to carry a load one could otherwise handle. It also breaks door hinges and bolts, forcing more maintenance in the field and putting a further demand on other vehicles. Air-Mech-Strike for 3D Maneuver Warfare: Army
"fiddles" with mythical FCS and mythical heavy lift
helicopters while our Soldiers burn in Iraq: Air-Mech-Strike 3D maneuver
can and needs to be done today using existing equipment
Stop trying to fit 20 tons of FCS to into 15 ton
helicopters...If you can't raise the Bridge.....
Maybe you use light tracked tanks under 12 tons that fit inside
CH-47F/CH-53Xs instead of the 20-30 ton FCS cash cow?
A 11-ton M113A4 Gavin can be made roadside
bomb and RPG resistant with a C4ISR network-centric warfare package,
hybrid-electric drive, band tracks etc. for under $500,000. It can even
be narrowed to fit inside a CH-47F/CH-53X. Beats wheeled FCS trucks @
$10 million each in 2012, doesn't it?
Piasecki can make the CH-47F/CH-53X fly 200 mph for 2,000 faster with
their ring-tail compound helicopter technology to effect the
"vertical maneuver" we desire.
We call this "Air-Mech-Strike" and its all in our book.
Maybe more Generals should read it?
READ HOW GENERALS AND DoD LUST FOR FANTASIES WHEN THEY CAN HAVE
REALTY NOW
www.defensedaily.com/cgi/rw/show_mag.cgi?pub=rw&mon=0304&file=0304vertical.htm "Mike,
I hope this note finds you doing well. You've been a
champion of the M113/M8 and I greatly appreciate your
efforts and value what you written in speaking the truth
about the Stryker. Stryker is a deathtrap and absolutely
the wrong vehicle for our Army.
I thought I'd pass on a few items to you about the MGS.
In the civillian world I am a Manufacturing Advisor for
XXXXX XXXXX. I served 25 yrs in the regular and reserve
component of the Army. Airborne qualified and served in 3
different M113 mech Infantry Bns as an enlisted man and as
an officer. I know an ARNG officer who was an Engineer for
XXXXX and now working for GD on the Stryker program. He
confided in me that they
cannot make the MGS work and are trying to figure out
how to get out from under it and CYA. Additionally, I've
had a conversation w/ a Colonel from Ft Knox that told me
more than he should have concerning Stryker-the gist of
which was from the 0-6
level down they recommended tracks over Stryker but the
Generals seemed dead set for Stryker. This 0-6 was
hoping Congress
would force hearings on the matter and get to the
truth. Another item, I spoke to someone at TACOM and he
and others' feelings mirrored mine-I would not want my son
going into combat in a Stryker.
I was wondering what you've heard about the M8
Thunderbolt-from what I'm able to gather is that the
120mm live-fire (stationary and on-the-move) has gone
well. Last month they were to fire DU rounds. I've also
read that the CG 82d Airborne has requested 4 M8 AGS for
all future operations. Personally, I'd like to see the
IBCTs have at the company level 1 Plt of M8s, 2-3 Plts of
M113/MTLV Infantry and a section of M113s w/
Turret-mounted 120mm
Mortars capable of direct and indirect fire. (I'd love
to be a TC or gunner in an M8 if I were enlisted again or
to be a Company Cdr of such a Company).
Is there anyone in Congress I can write to and
advocate/push on the M8? I live in Michigan now and I do
not think much of Sens Levin and Stambinaugh. It's just a
gut feeling mind you, but I feel there is a real chance
we'll end up getting Thunderbolt. Have you heard anything?
Is my thinking wishful or do you sense the same thing? I'd
really appreciate anything you can pass along.
Final note/ question ( for now)- Have you heard
anything about the Army dumping the POS M9 Beretta? I
understand the SOF folks are getting new build M1911s. I
personally have had a M1991a1 Colt Compact .45 that I had
packed in my gear as my personal "go-to-war"
gun. When I was recalled to AD for 6 mo. after 9/11 I was
issued a M9 (really wanted an M4 issued) before long, I
started carrying my Colt Commander .45 in my holster and
either no one noticed or cared not to notice. The Colt
Commander was to be the orginal replacement for the 1911 @
1950 but then Korea broke out and the Army shelved
it."
Mike, I'll close for now- I look forward to hearing
from you. In the meantime, Keep up the good fight and take
care.
1st TSG (A) REPLY: Thanks for the kind words! your
revelations are encouraging. How do we get rid of the
current crop of wheels 'n computer generals?
This web site expresses I think their absurd mindset:
www.geocities.com/transformationunderfire
Bush
and his Tofflerian/RMA apointees simply don't get
it--their troops-in-trucks steering aircraft firepower has
failed miserably in Iraq, and actually Afghanistan, too. I
think if Bush doesn't make the Army supply M113 Gavins to
replace ALL the HMMWVs over in Iraq he will be thrown out
of office the daily death toll is going to
undo him IMHO.
Airborne!
Mike Have you done a google
search on Stryker and M113 Gavin?
Carol
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